On freedom of expression and other matters

I rarely mention other communities on Criptonautas, because I founded this space realizing that out there we find:

  1. Kids and not-so-kids playing at being traders, miners, gurus, mentors, or millionaires.
  2. Spaces packed with junk info where everything goes, nothing is better, a donkey is as good as a professor.
  3. Controlled bitcoiner groups run by business people and politicians, who sooner or later censor and manipulate information to their advantage.

That last part is very dangerous, and unfortunately the internet has naturalized censorship in a very stealthy way :face_vomiting:

5 We are alerting you about the use of violence through the most cowardly and harmful method that exists.

What is censorship?

Censorship is intrinsically linked to freedom of expression, and that means, in a nutshell, that we can say what we think.

It might sound natural, but rivers of blood were shed so that today we can have the relative freedom we enjoy in that regard.

If you have 20 or 30 minutes, you can read these links to understand what we are talking about.

https://flip.org.co/micrositios/informe-2018/destacados.html

And the list goes on, because censorship is the simplest way to control people:

Here we work by and for the people, so we know firsthand what happens to us.

Most people are not willing to change; they think they cannot.

And we see that the greater part of the world works all day and can barely save some money which they then lose to inflation or volatility…

So blocking conversations prevents people from changing :warning:

And it perpetuates a setup where a few decide for the many.

This is how political parties, dictators, presidents, domestic violence, and even teenage drug addiction are sustained.

Censorship is for cowards

And if there is one thing that defines me, it’s having some real backbone.

5 That’s why you will ALWAYS see me respond to acts of censorship or oppression.
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5 Not out of something personal, but fundamental.

Because I’m the one who asks if everything is alright or if there is a problem, if a cop is staring too intimidatingly at someone.

I am the one who publicly exposes business ties that keep and will keep people’s money:

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Link to tweet with more info

5 Yes, the Belo scam is confirmed :backhand_index_pointing_down:

I’m also the one who checks investment funds and finds that Ripio, Money on Chain, Bitso, Bitpay, Blockstream, Buda, ChainAnalysis, Circle, Coinbase, Decentraland, Foundry, Grayscale, Kraken, Lightning, Ledger, and even Ripple, share the same investment group:

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Link to tweet with more info

I question what smells dirty, fake, forced, or contradictory :face_vomiting:

5 And those in power don’t like that, because it’s the first thing I question.

I am going to delete my social media accounts live, to prove that others will be able to do so later and to teach how to do it.

But while I prepare for that moment, this is my cover photo:

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And of course, a Facebook cover photo doesn’t represent what we do, but in my case I try to convey value in everything I do :slight_smile:

I don’t work and will never work for others, because I’ve learned to sustain myself independently and without relying on third parties.

So I’ve been working pro bono for nearly three years for our collective freedom here at Criptonautas.

I gave up the only thing I received as a salary a year and a half ago, because I preferred that we do this together.

And we are doing it:

I enjoy my money by spending it, not by saving or HODLing so that bankers or bitcoiners can be millionaires.

Why do we use this forum?

Basically, because we have nothing to hide and no opinions to annul.

We can answer any questions anyone brings our way with arguments and data.

The platform where you are reading this message has been around for 8 years and appeared on the internet the exact same year as Monero. Today there are 30,000 communities on its system.

They created Discourse to revive and foster civilized communication on the internet (quoted directly from its developers).

I’m bringing you a very interesting debate among the founders, managers, and moderators of the Discourse forum, which they present to the world as “Meta”.

There we can see that they are very clear about what a community is, what types of communities exist, and why we DO NOT choose social networks:

Social networks do not generate bonds between people, human relationships, or information flow.

Social Networks Decide

You get informed, attend events, buy or sell, rent, chat, and even “learn” (here lies the problem) on social networks.

You even invest based on what you read on social networks.

These nefarious characters have little to nothing to do with Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin, decentralization, or our freedom.

They Shut Down Human Connections

I published something about Facebook 13 years ago, back when blogs and social networks barely existed and Satoshi was hoarding 1 million BTC:

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5 It is titled 1984 and I didn’t remember that Blogger was still active until I looked for that image (the blog is a personal piece from a time when I learned to love myself the hard way).

I never liked Facebook because I value freedom, and I foresaw that they would work by manipulating public opinion…

But it took me a few years to understand that this is the modus operandi of bitcoiners and liberals to seize and maintain power.

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Bitcoiner censorship

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Censoring the word Monero on Bitcointalk

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Bitcoiner “moderadores” editing posts and censoring

Freedom is a fundamental right

And it recognizes no nuances.

  • We either have freedom of expression or we have censorship.
  • We either have private money or controlled money.

5 It is neither dignified, moral, ethical, nor correct to deliberately use tools that restrict people’s freedom.

And in a world where Philip Morris unpunishedly murders 500,000 people a year, we are left with only our morality and our own ethics to relate to one another.

Political parties, dictators, corporations have all been censored.

I understand that censorship is institutional today, because it always has been. Today it is patented by Facebook and that’s all well and good, that’s why we use Discourse.

Yet that tool is used without notice, explicit reason, or criteria by the largest Spanish-speaking bitcoiner group to censor my messages in what is supposed to be a group for exchanging ideas or opinions among people.

What freedom or decentralization are “liberals” and “libertarians” trying to sell me when they silence people at will?

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/r-bitcoin-censorship-revisited-58d5b1bdcd64

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And it is a very serious problem that, in the silliness of everyday life, we rarely manage to spot because they make sure to silence and erase traces.

This is silent, much like the decisions of politicians or business owners that generate more and more misery in the world every day. Or domestic violence that stays behind closed doors or as a filed police report.

You will notice there that they deleted comments that could somehow be harmful to Bitcoin.

Mining centralization, virtually zero privacy, monetary injection from Tether (an extremely dirty bitcoiner company).

And not with the intention of picking a fight, but of finding areas for improvement or potential attack vectors that we could openly debate.

Among those images, we find proof that upon failing to silence me by banning me for a month 3 consecutive times…

They moved on to using Facebook’s magical tool:

A single button from the Facebook moderation panel ensures people don’t see my comments, and nobody even notices.

But when sharing my posts, some require moderation because they are directly hidden, even if it looks like they aren’t.

That is Facebook’s patented censorship method in action:

And perhaps your detachment from reality makes you think this is unimportant, but social networks are defining the future of the majority.

And they will keep doing so, whether you accept it or not:

So you can at least unfollow the local pigs and start reviewing your sources more closely.

Because it’s totally fine if you want to buy pesos, dollars, clay sculptures, or instruments.

You can trade, you can save, HODL, and do whatever the hell you want (!)

Without reading banking, state, or bitcoiner propaganda. Without being called a shitcoiner, fake bitcoiner, or whatever else they use to manipulate your decisions.

Time is wise :slight_smile:

And YOU MUST ALWAYS QUESTION THINGS because that is the only thing that can change the wretched situation we are socially in.

Here you can see what censorship looks like LIVE (you can watch in full-screen)

https://vimeo.com/788020731

https://vimeo.com/788020731

You can retweet and comment :fire:

5 And it is very important that you do!

This isn’t Maslatón talking nonsense; we have the world controlled by a handful, and freely spreading information is the only thing that can change it.

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Dicho esto, usé, uso y usaré Bitcoin para aumentar mi poder adquisitivo pero NO es dinero, NO es reserva de valor y NO es seguro como plantean.

Más info en el blog, este foro y nuestro Discord

https://criptonautas.co/dinero/

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Hola Matías, cómo andás?
Tremendo, es muy impactante ver (gracias por mostrarlo grabado, así no hay chances de que nadie lo niegue) a la censura y a un dispositivo creado por la “red social” para que el administrador pueda hasta editar lo que uno escribe. Tremendo.

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Hola Enrique, gracias por el feedback!

Definitivamente es algo muy peligroso, porque además de eso ocultaron mensajes y bloquearon mi cuenta sin que se note ni dar aviso…

Y cuando lo hice pĂşblico, directamente me anularon el ingreso.

Por qué harían algo así?

La clase media siempre tuvo a su alcance un cambio a nivel general, porque es quien puede elegir (luego de alimentarse y tener dĂłnde dormir).

Esa clase media se pasa de 2 a 4 horas diarias en redes sociales y elige prácticamente todo a partir de ellas: alimentos, ropa, lugares donde vacacionar, eventos, inversiones, partidos políticos.

Estamos en la etapa más profunda de la mediocracia, y se vienen tiempos muy difíciles, porque se naturalizó que leamos lo que otros quieren que leamos, y no más que eso.

Supongo que toca entender más que nunca el valor de las comunidades y la libertad en todo lo que hacemos :slight_smile:

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Gracias a vos Matías, es muy bueno que muestres lo que pasa, y si proyectamos esta situación a escalas más grandes, como “noticieros” populares… mamá…
Afortunadamente varios vamos dándonos cuenta de la falta de valor de estas cuestiones, y deseamos regresar a una comunicación más real… escuchaste hablar de freefolks? están armando alguna movida, creo que en Irlanda, pero bueno, seguramente servirán de faro (como Criptonautas). Estoy intentando también enterarme de qué va la juna, entiendo que tiene que ver con la economía circular… sabés algo de eso?
Bueno, te dejo un abrazo, que seamos muy felices!

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Tenés familia? Te haces cargo de su economía y finanzas?

Imaginas relacionarte más con personas de tu confianza para poder crecer de manera colaborativa?

AportarĂ­as tiempo, dinero o fuerza de trabajo a proyectos que se nos ocurran y podamos desarrollar juntos?

Eso es circular. No lo suelo abrir con cualquiera, por eso la propuesta de la comunidad es que cada uno pueda demostrar antes que nada lo que hace.

Entonces así acerqué un historial completo de mis trades, mientras desarrollé todo Criptonautas, y vieron cada uno de mis avances en todo lo que hacemos.

Pronto mezclaré música, y así van a ver que podemos hacer lo que queramos, siempre.

Y de alguna manera seguiré con traders, que son quienes esperaba recibir en principio.

La historia de Inversor Global tuvo un 97% de personas indeseables y un 3% de personas que valen la pena. Acá llegaron algo así como un 11% de personas.

Es un buen nĂşmero, tal vez con el tiempo se puedan pasar al 3% (que se terminarĂ­a agrandando?).

Eso es circular. Que hablen por privado sin abrir diálogo comunitario, no tanto.

A eso se dedican polĂ­ticos, empresarios y lacayos. Lo circular es comunitario, transparente y de alguna manera genuinamente amoroso por naturaleza.

Cuando uno da, luego recibe. El tema es dar.

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Hace dos años, un emprendedor destruyó la comunidad más grande de IRC sobre Linux (chat sobre proyectos reales, sin GIFs o links a Youtube).

Y Linux es software libre, creado para las personas, que garantiza la seguridad y privacidad por la cual corporaciones generan millones de dĂłlares.

Este hombre de negocios rompiĂł las reglas (libres pero ampliamente respetadas) para robar un canal y luego cambiĂł las polĂ­ticas del espacio.

Freenode staff have stepped down. The network that runs at freenode.org/net/com should now be assumed to be under control of a malicious party.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: The Freenode resignation FAQ


La mayoría se fue a libera.chat, pero saliendo de Guatemala para ir a Guatepeor, porque está indirectamente regulado por instituciones.

Si piensas que esto no es importante, no tienes idea de lo que representa la #privacidad-seguridad en tu dĂ­a a dĂ­a (en pocas palabras, todo lo que tienes).

Honestamente, las comunidades Linux necesitan abrazar más abiertamente lo “abierto” y lo “libre” en lugar de tener políticas ridículas como hace el chat de libera.

No estoy condonando las acciones de Andrew ni nada, pero realmente se siente como si estuvieras atrapado con dos opciones de mierda.

Ir con el imbécil que obviamente sólo se preocupa por sí mismo, o ir con la gente que se digna a controlar todo acerca de los canales, hasta el punto de que realmente no parece ser capaz de utilizar usted mismo (libera.chat)

Entiendo que Libera está obligada por la ley sueca en esto, tienen que hacer cumplir ciertas leyes de censura, pero el hecho de que “antisocial” se considere no permitido en toda la red es simplemente… bueno, ¿qué demonios no podría ser clasificado como antisocial?

Y luego “cualquier otro comportamiento destinado a provocar deliberadamente el acoso, la alarma o la angustia de una persona”. Tampoco toleramos la calumnia y la difamación".

Sí, porque eso irá genial en la comunidad Linux. “Oye, eres muy malo con los códigos, probablemente deberías usar Rust, ya que parece que no sabes gestionar correctamente la memoria”.

Esta frase, podría ser fácilmente malinterpretada como un comportamiento destinado a poner deliberadamente en angustia y alarma. ¿Y entonces calumnia o difamación?

Si digo que creo que Andrew Lee ha cooptado los dominios Freenode, eso podrĂ­a ser difamaciĂłn.

Necesitamos una solución adecuada y descentralizada, sin una política general, porque una política general como ésta causa problemas.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Freenode nows belong to Andrew Lee

Por este motivo el chat de Criptonautas será auto-hosteado en Matrix y ~6 meses atrás dejamos de usar Discord, donde la información NO pertenece a las personas.

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Incluso dĂ­as antes de abandonar definitivamente la red social herramienta de control institucional.

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The world is giving clear signs of why I chose to host our own platforms, instead of entrusting our content and data to social media networks.

https://twitter.com/spirobel/status/1687436670814347264

https://twitter.com/spirobel/status/1687376548196945920

https://twitter.com/aschmidt1024/status/1687790461254000640

https://twitter.com/btcsessions/status/1687738662845386752

https://twitter.com/plamen__andonov/status/1687524213786103815

They censor reality, fill it with fantasy, charge for it, and on top of that, they keep the data to continue monitoring and controlling whoever they can.

spirobel is a candidate to work on Criptonautas; he published a way to use Monero for subscriptions in Discourse :call_me_hand:

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I am adding the updated list of companies funded by DCG.

It took me almost 30 minutes to scrape the information I read from their website because the list is designed so that:

  1. It doesn’t appear in full right away (you have to click a button to see “all companies”).
  2. It cannot be copied all at once.

:backhand_index_pointing_down: These companies work together

Abra
Acala Network
AlloyX
Anode Labs
API3
Arcana
Arch Finance
Artie
Aurora
Averon
Axoni
Aza Finance
Ballet Crypto
Bastion Protocol (Bengine)
BCB Group
Big Time Studios
Bigchain DB
BitFlyer
BitGo :pinched_fingers:
Bitmark
Bitnomial
BitOasis
BitPay
Bitso :pinched_fingers:
Bittensor
Blockchain :cross_mark:
Blockstream :cross_mark:
Blokur
Bloq
Bold Financial Technologies
Brave :pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers:
Buda
C3 Protocol
Cambridge Blockchain
Celestia
Ceramic Network
Chain
Chainalysis :pinched_fingers:
Circle :pinched_fingers:
Civic
Cobalt
Cognito
Coinbase :pinched_fingers:
CoinDesk :pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers:
CoinFLEX
Coinhouse
Coinjar
CoinList
Coinme
CoinMetrics
Coins.ph
Colu
Credora
Curv
Custodia
Custos
Dapper Labs
Decent
Decent DAO
Decentral Games
Decentraland :pinched_fingers:
DeSo
Digital Assets Data
Dune Analytics
Earn
Eco
Elliptic
Elwood
Embed
Enigma :pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers:
ErisX
Etherscan :pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers:
eToro :pinched_fingers::pinched_fingers:
Everledger
Figure
Filament
Fireblocks
Flare Network
Fleek
Flipside Crypto
Fordefi
Forta
Foundry :pinched_fingers:
Gamma
Gem
Genesis :pinched_fingers:
Grayscale :pinched_fingers:
GrowYourBase
Gyft
Halborn
Hashflow
Hedera Hashgraph
HiGlobe
Hiro
Horizen Labs
Horizon Games
HQ
Hubble
Improbable
JackPocket
Jiko
JSGenesis (Joystream)
Korbit
Kraken :pinched_fingers:
Kwil
Ledger :pinched_fingers:
Lightning :pinched_fingers:
Livepeer
Lolli
Lucid Sight
Luno
Madhive
Magic
Masa
Mask Network
Mercari
Merit Circle
Merkle Science
Meson Network
Metakey
Metalith
Metamundo :face_without_mouth:
Metastreet :face_without_mouth:
Metaversal :face_without_mouth:
MONEX
Money Button
Multis
NEAR :pinched_fingers:
Netki
NFT Bank :poop:
NFTfi :poop:
Nic.kl
Nivaura
Nomics
Norbloc
Numerai
Nym Technologies :pinched_fingers:
Octopus Network
Odsy
Omniex
Ondo Finance
OpenZeppelin
OTCM (OTC Market)
OXIO
Paradigm
Parity
PawnFi
Paxos :pinched_fingers:
Pipeline Marketing
Polygon :poop:
Polymer
POSaBIT
Protego
Protocol Labs (Filecoin)
Provenance
QoHash
Qu Capital
Radar Relay
Railgun
Rainbow
Reserve
Revelator
Reverie
Rigor
Ripio :poop:
Ripple :poop:
Risk Harbor
RSK :pinched_fingers:
Runloop
Safe
Safello
Science Magic Studios
Scout
SFOX
ShapeShift
Silvergate
Skew
Skuchain
Slingshot (Dexag)
Snickerdoodle
Space
Space and Time
SSV Network
Staked
Stakes
Stacks
Staking Rewards
Stratum
Streami
Suade
SubQuery
Tagomi
Taker Protocol
The Graph
Tierion
Token (M10)
Tradeblock
Trading Platform
Transparent Systems
Tribal Credit
Trust Machines
Twilight
Unocoin
Veem
Vegas City
Vincent
Volare
Wealthcoin
WeMeta
WENEW
Wilder World
WorldCoin :poop:
Wyre
Xapo :poop:
XLoad
YGGSEA
Zabo
Zcash :pinched_fingers:
Zerion

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it’s so you’ll accept the agreement without reading it… just like all contracts with endless fine print

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Aloha! I’m editing this because you clarified that you were being sarcastic :grimacing:. Regardless, we maintain that these are different situations.

In this case, they do it so the full list isn’t read; in the other, it’s so we accept an agreement. If we use what they propose, they always win (!)

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my sarcasm wasn’t effective. thanks for the link

Here is a former Bitcoiner who sympathizes with BCH, XMR, and NANO, knows Africa, and was also censored by Bitcoin maximalists:

https://twitter.com/marcfalzon/status/1690146436976185347